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fossil

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vultures watching a dying corpse
« on: August 04, 2014, 12:13:02 AM »
i have not posted on here for over a year, mostly due to the way in which this forum appears to be going, with membership.
i used to be a prolofic poster on here, in which members could view, i still do post, but by P.M. instead, and by personal email, in which i have members email address.
i do realise that i am what some members regard me as a rather rebelious person, and often made comments, that annoyed some members, but i used to do that for a reason, to prompt response and get talking about the hobby of cartophily.
at the time i decided not to post viewable messages, this forum appeared to be getting members joining to make sales or just hang like vultures picking off pieces of rotting meat like vultures from a dying corpse, without making any effort themselves to joining in with discussions..
it still his with members joining, yet no contributing.
when i left off posting, there was around 300 members, since than, another hundred have joined , yet still little is contgributed.
as with Mark Edwards(dant melys), he too often makes remarks about lurkers on here.
the times i have posted articles about getting the vultures or lurkers to make an effort to contribute, i have got fed up with replies from members saying, that it is common with all forums.
it has been suggested with a recent posting, that probably this forum should make new members make an introduction for themselves, discussing their interests or whatever in their collecting sphere.
i have suggested that over a year back on several occassions, but this forum, much like the CSGB, seems almost dinosaur in its response to evolve.
there has even recently been postings that this forum should have a related links, such that members can go straight to flickr sites run by Dant Melys and Magpiemick, both excellant sites, and this has been agreed, yet still nothing has been done.
probably this forum should take a look at itself, and decide upon its future, i know by personal correspondance, that several members are dissatisfied with the way it is going.
it is no way to go gushing about what it has done in the beginning, yet closing it ears, when anything negative is suggested.
at the moment, some of the posts, now have nothing of cartophilic interest, more becoming like a social network, such as facebook or twitter.
probably for a start, there should be a pruning back of members that have not made any effort, to post after a year, or is it as though this forum collects members like a postage stamp stuck in an album, just a growing members list, yet no cartophilic discussions.
it is an utter disgrace, that the highest even a topic such bas Wolfies 101 cards to get, cannot even make it, all it needed was thirty three members to put in each of their three favourite cards, to make the list complete, thirty thre members out of almost 400.
an appaling disgrace within this mebership
i have not posted for over a year, yet written in this forum, recently, that we have to give new members time ????, i have given a year of no postings, what more time do members need than that, rather than a wek or so.
if the regular half dozen posters did not post for a month, what would this forum look like in a months time, i can only guess

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2014, 03:33:24 AM »
Am fairly new here, only recently discovering the site so difficult for me to comment but I think the idea of an introduction listing interests is a good one. Not sure about others but my own interests are getting narrower and a lot of the posts are not particularly related to what I'm a fan of. Anywho - I do like the site and hope it continues.  :)

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2014, 05:28:52 AM »
Welcome back fossil.
The forum is a better place for your input.

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2014, 07:48:53 AM »
About time you came back fossil, welcome by the way. All posters are needed regardless of views it's what I like about this place. It can be Facebook but it can be Wikipedia as well. There is room for all, some times it's nice to just chat about the hobby in general sometimes we need educating, hope your no longer lurking mate.

Robin Friday

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2014, 08:43:32 AM »
An interesting post which will need a lot of digesting by members and Admin alike .

I guess the bottom line is that a forum is as only as good as the input and it needs input to survive .

Welcome Fossil .

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2014, 09:16:51 AM »
Welcome back fossil, you have been missed. I look on here daily, and post when I think I can offer something, but am by no means prolific. There are a lot of threads on here regarding modern cards which I enjoy reading, but it is not my field so don't join in. I hope you will return to posting, your posts are always interesting, sometimes controversial, and that is no bad thing. Have you found your archaeopteryx card yet?

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2014, 10:17:47 AM »
Nice to see a post from you Fossil.

I was a newbie when the forum started and I still regard myself as a newbie.Im surprised at the lack of input from older established card collectors who Im sure have a great deal of experience when it comes to collecting,although maybe its the technology that holds them back.
Ive found out a lot from the forum and am very thankful to the posters who do take the time It spurs me along and draws me into areas of card collecting I might not have thought about.

As a casual collector I still get excited about finding stuff that most of you would throw in the bin  :)

Ive also found there are some generous people on here who have encouraged me via PM and have also sent me some cards (Thanks Mark).

I knew very little about Guinea Golds,but thanks to the postings by our GG collecting   members I know a bit more.

You cant make people share their knowledge which makes me even more greatful to the members that do,as for getting others to post,thats always going to be a difficult one as you simply dont know how many who join are collectors and how many are not.






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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2014, 10:23:17 AM »
I think the issue is that you've got to make cigarette cards relevant in our modern age in order to make them appeal to the widest number of people possible. The fact that most people see cards in terms of money is a massive clue: the need for money is something we all have in common. I personally think the card collecting culture is generally very inward looking, which probably puts a lot of potential new collectors off. With a bit of imagination you can show that cards have a use in our digital age, and that's what I try to do with my videos, plug plug :)
« Last Edit: August 04, 2014, 10:31:57 AM by card renaissance »

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2014, 10:45:39 AM »
Another problem with the hobby is the major emphasis on nostalgia and collecting stuff from your childhood. This is fatally flawed and short-sighted since when the generation who collects that particular item fades away then so does the value of what they collect. That's why I think we should be looking to see how other collectable hobbies promote themselves. Obviously people don't collect ancient coins to recapture their childhood unless they're time lords :D So I think we need to look at the bigger picture rather than going for the fast buck option.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2014, 10:48:13 AM by card renaissance »

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2014, 11:40:45 AM »
Nice to see you post here again Fossil The situation remains the same there are those who are more than willing to share their collection , inform others of events and generally in a friendly manner promote their card passion and pass on knowledge   and unfortunately those who just wish to read posts and generally happy to take a back seat in the process But that is life in general those who do and those who don't
To be a truly passionate about cards you need to be willing and happy to learn about all the genre and types not only your own specialist area
I love the passion of Ogden's cards and guinea gold juniors everlasting quest and the passion of the Gummies with collecting the wrappers and counter boxes as well as the cards themselves  they are just great and its expands everyone's knowledge base Mark , Peter , Terrier ,Cigcardpix2 , Card Renaissance who uses the visual form of video clips in order to promote his passion    and others who have their sites we don't have them as an ego trip we have them to share our passion so others can see and we all hope in some way this will inspire others to maybe do something similar so Thus ensuring a healthy interest and in our hobby and inspiring others When it comes to posts I read most on a daily basis and whilst I do not venture an opinion or reply all the time I go by the old adage its better to keep ur silence sometimes then open you mouth and confirm your a fool ,,,,as if Through this site I have met members at various fairs and events ,  swapped items or assisted members and generally made friends with them which will last as long as I am  living and breathing and for that I am grateful whilst contact with members may be not on a daily or even weekly/monthly  basis The fact that I know who to go to for assistance or help in any queries and vice versa makes for a healthy membership and site  So I would say to all get involved its no such a bad thing it will enhance your knowledge and experience and certainly get a good contact base of people who are passionate about what they collect
 
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Robin Friday

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2014, 11:54:29 AM »
Another problem with the hobby is the major emphasis on nostalgia and collecting stuff from your childhood. This is fatally flawed and short-sighted since when the generation who collects that particular item fades away then so does the value of what they collect. That's why I think we should be looking to see how other collectable hobbies promote themselves. Obviously people don't collect ancient coins to recapture their childhood unless they're time lords :D So I think we need to look at the bigger picture rather than going for the fast buck option.

CR ,
that's a good point regarding childhood ...my collecting habits are ( or so I think) varied and from various countries .
I have yet to make the ' silk ' road ...but give me time .

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2014, 12:07:24 PM »
Nostalgia is always going to play an important role but I just think it needs to balanced with a more long-term plan.
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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2014, 02:05:35 PM »
agree, agree, agree...lots of great topics for discussion this week.
I would hope everybody appreciates the collectors who spend time and effort in promoting the hobby (whatever form that may take) and who are not looking to make money out of it....whether it be contributing to this forum, scanning their collections online, or creating speciality blogs.
It is correct that many of the "senior" collectors (that I know) are not interested in the internet, and in their eyes, why should they be. They have always collected in a certain way and cannot change now.
Catalogue Prices, Auctions, Fairs.....so it was, and thus it is so.
I find that they are almost transfixed by the "catalogue value" of everything.....and as we know, nowadays the catalogue value is usually meaningless...eBay for all it's flaws has exposed just how inflated most of them are....and yet, with all these £60 sets selling for a tenner, is the hobby still attracting new collectors, or are they just speculators?
The Cartophilic Society will not change, and does not want to.
The hobby as they know it will die out with them.
I enjoy my card collecting from wherever they come from...and there's the packets, tins, menus, and all the European stuff too, to keep me interested. I have no long term plan about what my collection will look like next year or ten years from now (but it will probably look a lot different)
Keep collecting whatever you like, on whatever budget you have.....be diverse and enjoy collecting without being obsessed by the value of everything.
Good hunting, K

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2014, 03:54:30 PM »
has any one thought how the site owner must feel like. after reading  Fossil's  pile of garbage.  he can not wave a magic wand and attract collector's which  are not there. i think it is a disgrace.
always looking for unlisted. brooke bond cards. albums. order forms. canadian dinosaur reprints. spyfile cards

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Re: vultures watching a dying corpse
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2014, 04:10:15 PM »
bri.d , with all due respect ,

It's Fossils opinion on how the forum is going ...or not .

It's a public forum where anyone can voice an opinion and Geoff can pop in and defend himself ( although I do not see an attack on him) if he wishes .

 

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