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Mariner tony

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Years of collecting
« on: October 16, 2018, 10:37:21 AM »
Just over three years ago I decided to do a handbrake turn on my collecting. Smouldering tyres and acrid smoke saw me sell my cigarette/trade card collection and concentrate on modern trade and football stickers which had become to dominate my interest more and more.
  That is not to say that I had fallen out of love with Cigarette cards. For me they will always be capable of inspiring beauty, educating me and providing a snapshot of a bygone era. Indeed I can see a day when I return to collecting excellent condition sets of cards. Prices are certainly welcoming to the buyer! There is the rub! Did I sit on a devaluing collection, or build on the already modest, but price bourgening collection of stickers that I already owned?
  I chose the latter, and as I sit now, have no regrets at all. Broadly speaking I lost money on my Cigarette cards, but profited from my trade. Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that trade sets have started a decline in prices realised over the last year. That may only be the microcosm of my own experience, but noticeable to me it is. What I own now is at worst stable, and at best increasing considerably. Naturally, as a collector of many years, I am fully aware of the price helter skeltor that is collecting! There again is an often unpleasant truth.
Perhaps here I have emphasised price to much. Perhaps I should have been more emotionally attached to my collecting. Delightfully I may be totally wrong with my collecting logistics. If so, so what! I still love it all as much as I did unravelling a Brooke Bond card in my Grandparents kitchen.

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Re: Years of collecting
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2018, 04:15:07 PM »
I suppose that in the end it comes down to the old question of whether you collect for the pleasure of collecting or whether you collect to make a profit.  The generation that collected cigarette cards as children is rapidly disappearing.  Younger people nowadays have little emotional attachment to them so I can imagine that demand, and thus price, is falling.  Ebay flooding the market hasn't helped either.  When I was a boy bubble gum cards were all the rage.  The baby boomers reaching their second childhood inflated the prices but another twenty or thirty years and that phase will probably be past as well.

The modern market is different.  Commercial stickers carefully conceived to separate collectors from their money as efficiently as possible.  Nowadays people have much more disposable income and seem quite prepared to pay thousands of pounds or even more for some of the rarer cards.  But then the market is designed to be like that.  Personally I don't see the any reason from a collecting point of view to collect football stickers.  An endless supply of (for me) meaningless faces which I would never bother to look at.  But then everyone is free to collect how they want.  You're happy with your decision which is all that mattters really.  Your stickers have increased in value and if you enjoy collecting them as well then that's an added bonus.

Did you really lose money on your cigarette cards?  Did you get pleasure out of collecting them?  How much is that pleasure worth?  I once read in some old cig card mag that someone suggested that when you bought the cards you never intended to sell them.  You just wanted to keep them to enjoy them.  In that respect whatever you get when you sell them can be considered as profit.  I must have spent hundreds of thousands on my cards.  I will never get that back.  But I still don't intend to start collecting football stickers any time soon.
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Re: Years of collecting
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2018, 08:14:29 PM »
Hello Ian.
I enjoyed your reply which was, in my view, far more heartfelt than my offering. I got an enormous amount of pleasure collecting Cigarette cards. As I suggested, returning to them at some point is far from out of the question. They are my first love in terms of collecting, but felt the time was right to view my purchases with a slightly more mercenary eye.
 I certainly did lose money on them. Not a massive amount by any means, but noticeable. They were largely the common sets, mostly in very good condition, and, in my view, desirable to entry level collectors. This is were we tip toe into the realm of supply and demand. Put bluntly, there ain't any, or at least enough to generate a competitive auction and I listed at a competitive 20% book.
I do enjoy the stickers. Being a footy fan I'm collecting the 'names' of my youth. Nostalgia is a wonderful emotion! Furthermore their prevalence is introducing new blood to this genre of the hobby with a conveyer belt regularity.
As I said Ian, no regrets about veering in another direction; I do though keep one eye in the rear view mirror.

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Re: Years of collecting
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2018, 11:49:42 AM »
This is were we tip toe into the realm of supply and demand. Put bluntly, there ain't any, or at least enough to generate a competitive auction and I listed at a competitive 20% book.
I do enjoy the stickers. Being a footy fan I'm collecting the 'names' of my youth. Nostalgia is a wonderful emotion! Furthermore their prevalence is introducing new blood to this genre of the hobby with a conveyer belt regularity.
Plenty of supply, just not much demand.  I found the article I mentioned in post 2.  Unfortunately it's too large to upload but anyone who is interested will find it in the Nov. 1938 issue of Cigarette Card News.  It was a different world back then.  Another article in the same mag. informs collectors that the new catalogue is available and fifty thousand copies have been sent out.  Fast forward to 2018 and how many members does the CSGB have?  I don't believe there's an official figure.  However the last time I took the sum of the membership revenues as published in the accounts and divided by the membership fee I came up with about 700.  So yes, I guess the demand has gone down quite a bit.

As I said Ian, no regrets about veering in another direction; I do though keep one eye in the rear view mirror.
I'm glad you did or I wouldn't have those nice German film stars  :)
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Re: Years of collecting
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2018, 03:38:37 AM »
For me it has become a bit of a treasure hunt now.
You know that feeling when you finally acquire the one last card from a set after searching for a decade or so ?
The last one from the ATC series of water girls to take an example entirely at random.... (still searching for that one actually). Will experience some sort of frisson of delight hen I finally track it down.

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Re: Years of collecting
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2018, 08:54:44 AM »
I still like the chase,and I collect pretty much any cards I find.

Today I'm off to bid on some cards from one of the Auction Houses thats been a happy hunting ground for me,I never really think about the monetary value,I just get a buzz from buying a box of cards and finding a gem in there..actually I rarely look at my albums of cards,although I enjoy collecting the sets.
I'm guessing my wife hopes I dont kick the bucket any time soon, as shes going to have a bit of a task getting rid of the mountain of cards..I do try to stop myself but the other day I went and put my hand up on a big box of Brooke Bond cards,none of them were rare,however the box was massive and the cards were in great condition. I got them for Five pounds plus 15%...I know I shouldnt have,In fact the last thing I need is more Brooke Bonds, but the addiction is such that I couldn't stop myself  :)
I was given lots of very fine advice when I joined this forum,including specialising in particular subjects..I have a bit of a thing for cards related to Radio, but apart from that anything goes.


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Re: Years of collecting
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2018, 06:24:24 PM »
I have to say that I collect for the thrill of collecting, and not for what my collection may be worth when I'm gone,( although I do try and point my wife in the right direction regards the rarer sets of cards I have - not many of those though! ). I am finding it more and more difficult to pick up collections of loose stickers these days though, although I did pick up a biscuit tin full of late 80's early 90's football stickers for three pounds last week!

 

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