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fossil

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« on: February 11, 2013, 06:10:58 PM »
i have brought this up before, but i would like to start a definative discussion, on how to encourage members to contribute more to these discussion boards.
i visit this forum twice, or thee times daily, and it is always the same members on here, yet a vast amount of supposedly members, have contributed nil.
there can be no excuses for them, either they wish to join and contribute to the discussions, and be called a member, or they contribute nothing here, and as far as i consider, they are not members.this forum continue to have members join , just with the hope of making a sale.
are these considered to be called members ?
once they have sold their cards, they have no reason to ever come back and contribute, as they have no interest in the hobby.
if the aim of this forum, is to make a build up of members, i may as well knock on all of my neighbours doors, and ask if they wish to join this forum.
they may well do, but they would have no interest in the hobby, just be another number in the members list.
one improvement i think should be made to this forum, is to make each new meber, make a statement on here, to let fellow members know of his or her interests, what they collect, or other interesting notes they may make towards the hobby.
i could look at the member list at the moment, pick out an handful of the many members, that have never contributed, and have no idea, as to what their interests are ?.
of the regular contributers, i know what they collect, as they are on here frequently, but of the non contributers, they may have joined after a few drinks and have no idea what this forum is about.
unless other members know what they collect, can they really be considered a member and participant , in making this forum more interesting ?

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 08:33:37 PM »
I can understand your frustration fossil, but I suspect that with many fora there will be a lot of people who will register, make one or two posts and never be heard of again.  It may be because they are just interested in selling something and once it is sold they have no further interest.  It may also be that perhaps they don't have much to contribute.  For example another interest of mine is old radios.  Every now and then I need some information but I really don't know much about them, at least not as much as someone who spent his entire life as a radio servicing technician.  There's virtually nothing that I could meaningfully contribute to such a forum from a technical point of view.

Does it really do any harm if such people register?  It would be nice if they contributed something but if they don't have anything to contribute, they can't.  There could be a million such members but so what?  There's no point in wishing and hoping that they will contribute something when they are not going to.  If it weren't for the number of members indicated on the front page, we probably wouldn't realise they exist.  I don't know about this forum but a lot of fora will delete users who have not contributed for say a year.  We already have a core of serious collectors.  What we really need is to attract more serious collectors who have not joined up yet.

The forum already has a "meet the members" section.  Members can introduce themselves there.  Maybe the members' profile section could be extended to include collecting interests as well.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 08:41:53 PM »
It's true that we have very active members like yourself, fossil and some completely inactive members but this is true of all forums. Like you I am keen on many more of our members actively participating in the discussions on the site. Hopefully some of the changes I am working on will encourage this.

It would be nice to know what kinds of cards members collect. One of the things I am working on is a way to incorporate members areas of interest into their profiles and possibly their avatar.

I am always open to any ideas members have to improve the site.

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 08:48:43 PM »
I think there is a degree of ineverablity that what your issue is, happens, after all this is an open forum.
We must be carefully in demanding our motives must be their's.
Notwithstanding that, I whole heartly agree, it is frustrating that more do not contribute, but we should encourage new members to contribute, not scold them for just using it for their advantage. They may not use it at all, we must premote positvely and not give the impression that we are just a load of grumy old men, even though thats what the wife calls me.

I suspect this happens to all specialist forums, not been on any others, so do not know what they do, but purchasing, selling and swapping cards is what we collectors do.
Perhaps that is the way forward.
Always looking for interesting cards and associated goods issued by Ogden's you can see samples of cards I am looking for in the wants section.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 10:37:58 PM »
i scold on purpose.
it may promote of reaction , rather than inaction.
possibly it may some members angry enough to make a reply.
at least we would understand their views upon this forum.

i certainly think new members should have on their profile, their interests in collecting, how long they have collected, the contents of their collection etc.,
once their interests are known, probably discussions could be aimed towards them, and entice them to contribute.

there is also, a need to encourage new members, and younger members, but there is one other problem that i sem to notice, it may be my imagination, but i seem to be noticing the interests in card collecting decreasing..
stores , websotes, dealers within the last ten or so years since i have been collecting, in my eyes, seem to be giving up, websites are no longer up-dated, dealers shutting down, and stores closing, with whom i used to shop for cards.
it just seems as if there is no longer an interest in the hobby, and that is what i see after ten years only.
often, though murrays have now closed for over a year, people still quote murays catalogue prices,
it is almost like an headless chicken running around and not knowing what direction to take at the moment

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 02:49:17 PM »
Some random thoughts on fossil's post.
The closure of the various accesses to cards and apparent cooling of interest could possibly be a chicken and egg situation - ie which came first? Less access = less activity/interest or vice versa.

Unless you have internet access, collectors have to pay full catalogue prices - this is a deterrent. I know that I could not have built up my collection as quickly through solely using, say,  LCCC rather than ebay and one or two other sources.

In addition, many of the cards produced now are intended for direct sale to collectors and, in some cases, are not cheap - some UK sets are nearly £30 for 36 cards whereas US cards are often   half that price for twice as many.

Maybe subject matter does not appeal to the younger collectors - how does one find out?

Many of today's established (not necessarily 'older'!!) collectors may have so many sets that they have reached their expenditure level where the cards they do not have will remain out of reach - I know this happened to me when I collected stamps in the 1960s to 1980s.

If I may harp on(?) - there are cartophilic societies and clubs but they are widely scattered geographically and this does not assist younger attendees and, indeed may 'scare' beginners who think they may be out of their depth. I arrended one local society 4 months ago and found that most of collectors knew each other (understandable) but their interests were often esoteric and confined to the minutiae that my general enquiries and questions seemed to irritate -'go and speak to Sid, he's more interested in general collecting than us'

As I said, just random thoughts, mostly off the top of my head!

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 04:20:29 PM »
possibly it may some members angry enough to make a reply.

If people don't have anything to say then they don't have anything to say.  I fear that making them angry is more likely to drive them away than make them contribute.  People may register with the forum because they have an interest in collecting.  However they may just need a piece of information and once they have it they have no further interest.  I think that's a fact of life we just have to accept.

it may be my imagination, but i seem to be noticing the interests in card collecting decreasing..

Times change and modern youth is probably more interested in the latest video games that collecting cards.  They didn't have video games when I was a boy.  Also when I was a boy, I didn't collect old cards, only the new ones from tea, bubble gum, etc.  It was many years later that I started buying cards from dealers which were otherwise unobtainable.  Modern youth is similar.  I expect they spend all their money on Panini stickers or Match Attax and it will only be when they are old and grey that they become interested in obtaining the missing stickers from Panini World Cup 2010.  Dealers who don't move with the times will eventually disappear.  It's difficult enough in any case to compete with the Panini website.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2013, 04:39:12 PM »
true ian .theres been a big revival in the football stickers over the last few years. i have noticed 2 of the well known cigarette card dealers of ebay. have now got impressive stocks of panini football stickers. and modern day football cards.
always looking for unlisted. brooke bond cards. albums. order forms. canadian dinosaur reprints. spyfile cards

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2013, 07:36:23 PM »
if you want to attract younger collectors why not change the forum to
Cigarette/trade/sticker/collecting.com

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You are correct with your insight of Panini football stickers.A set stuck in its album of 1970 world cup recently made £1200  in auction

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 09:43:37 AM »
Perhaps its a generation thing, I am 54 now (not old) but am seeing the younger collectors collecting their youths collectables. The name of this site definatly does suggest one particular era of collectable cards, perhaps as said, could be expanded or modernisized. It would have to be a word that searches would find easyly. How many people under the age of say 40, knows that cards were given freely with cigarettes unless they find a bag and ask the question, what are these?

The truth is cigarette card collecting is decreasing because the collectors are dieing, a cruel reality.
On a positive note collectors of "bubble gum cards" and younger are on the increase, dealers are reacting so perhaps  the name needs updating. Any thoughts
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2013, 09:56:03 AM »
Just another thought more of a point. When I headed my "Topic" "Ogdens Guinea Gold" and started a discussion, I found that when I did a search on Wikipeadia of "Ogden" my opening discusion came very close to the top of my search. I was surprised but if we had a section that headed different topics that are likely searched and are always there would that not entice people in.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2013, 08:02:43 AM »
so what about memmbers that join with the hope of selling their cards ?
when they realise that they will probably make no sale on here, are they still regardsd as members ?
many will never frequent this site again.
i like ogdenscards view of trying to to enthusiate a new member to take up the hobby himself, rather than sell his cards

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2013, 09:12:07 PM »
i have to admit folk who come on just to sell really get my goat, in fact I have to admit just after Christmas I was thinking of leaving the forum because of this. I dont mind folk contacting me who are trying to help me out, so please dont take any offence, but to see the grannies collectors type of post is ruining this site.

I have gained a lot of knowledge from the members on here, and thats why I stayed.

As for shops selling cards in Newcastle we have 2 places that i know sell cards, however neither of them sell cigarette cards. One of the shops deals with trade cards but its mainly Magic and Yu-gi oh, though i did pick up a set of mars attacks heritage for £10 and was well pleased. The other sells football memorabilia,  ok i know its going over to the darkside but thats what folk are collecting and like it or not it is not this may be the way to attract others to the forum.

I guess i am no longer a cigarette card collector more a card collector, though my love is still silks, and thats what i seek everyday on ebay.

As for attracting more to the hobby, I dont think that is a problem I think its that cigarette card collecting is now a niche hobby and the very mention of cigarettes makes folk think we are all a bunch of smokers sitting around living in the past. Maybe we need to incorporate the word trade card collectors in the name somehow, but be ready for the yu gi oh set invading our quiet little world.

By the way i do visit this site nearly every other day, just to see what the crack is.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 10:45:41 PM »
i think it would be a great loss to this forum wolfie, if you decided to leave, as you contribute regulary, always with intersting remarks, plus the fact that you have added some colour to the gallery with your images youn have posted.

i take to point mentioned by ian, that some members have little to say, so may never contribute, and no need to scold them, so to say, and i do like ogdenscards suggestion, of trying to get some of the sellers, to take up the hobby, rather than dispose of their cards.

when it comes to selling on here, i have no problem with established sellers or dealers, as sometimes they may have quality items to sell.
it is the casual items in granies attic that i find an annoyance, as they are not memnbers, and use this forum for some cheap alternative to ebay.

often suggestions are put forward by members on this forum, to make it better or more interesting or encourage newcomers, but nothing seems to ever get done .
not that this is meant to be a criticism to to the originators of this forum., but since i joined around a year ago now, i cannot recall any changes made.

probably , much can be put down to time available.
i, with my job, spend much time in research, but though not being to 'hot' on computering skills, still find a bit of time to add to this forum by regular postings or trying to add images to the gallery so that new members may have some in teresting pictures to view

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2013, 08:20:12 AM »
i have to admit folk who come on just to sell really get my goat, in fact I have to admit just after Christmas I was thinking of leaving the forum because of this.

I agree with fossil, it would be a great loss if you were to leave.  I think it's just a fact of life that with a forum like this you are bound to get people who only want to sell cards.  We just mustn't get upset about it. 


I guess i am no longer a cigarette card collector more a card collector, though my love is still silks, and thats what i seek everyday on ebay.

Have you come across Alan Stevens, a specialist silks dealer?  If not, I can give you his contact details. 

I think its that cigarette card collecting is now a niche hobby and the very mention of cigarettes makes folk think we are all a bunch of smokers sitting around living in the past.

Cigarettes are in any case not politically correct nowadays.  The CSGB has a large banner which they like to hang up to advertize the annual cigarette card convention.  Sometimes they are not allowed to as people seem to have the idea that the mere mention of a cigarette will imediately cause modern youth to get lung cancer.  "Card collecting" is out as that attracts postcard collectors who then demand their entrance money back when they can't buy any postcards, and "cartophily" is out as everyone says "uh! what's that?".  So, yes, a new name probably wouldn't be bad.

As for being invaded by Yu Gi Oh, I can imagine that collectors of Liebig, Au Bon Marché etc. might well have said the same thing about cigarette card collectors :)
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