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fossil

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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2013, 09:00:49 AM »
probably it is time to re-consider the name cartophily, and and cigarette cards.
in my school days during the fifties and sixties, they were always called 'picture cards', and this is what i still refer to them myself.
even the word card is innaccurare, as is silk a card ?, likewise, leather, embroidery, metal or blanket, as these were issued in cigarette packets.
trade cards themselve, have shared images, issued both with cigarettes and trade commodities.
trade card can include many varied items, such as postcards, such as issued by chivers and nestles, phonecards as issued by brooke bond, medalions as issued by tetley and shell.
even matchbox labels,such i have added pictures to the gallery. several sets of matchbox labels are taken straight from cigarette cards, or trade cards.
modern sets are even made from plastic and foil.
in my collection, beside the traditional regarded cigarette card, or brooke bond size trade card, i have several matchbox label sets, postcard sets, coin sets, and even added phone card sets recently, such as sets issued in jersey.
even philately cards have found found my way into my collection (PHQ)
my own collection cannot to the much older collector, be referred to cartophily, so what do i term myself as ?.
i think this hobbycould be modernised into the 21st century, rather than remain in the 19th century.
as time goes on, as cigarettes become less attractive, matches become less common, phonecards are no longer used, could not the hobbies of all similar collectables included into one common group and a term coined up for all these plus modern collectables ?

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2013, 09:02:20 AM »
"Collectable Cards Forum" Its exactly what its says on the  tin so to speak, and if we do get some postcard enthusiast, why not. There is certainly an empathy with each other and I have a curious attraction to them anyway.

As an add on Ogden's did along with many other companies produce some postcards. Six different ones showing steamers with six different Ogden's products , 36 to collect.
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Always looking for interesting cards and associated goods issued by Ogden's you can see samples of cards I am looking for in the wants section.
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2013, 09:13:27 AM »
When I do a search on google under the heading there always seems to be a few lines explaining the content, probably the first few lines of a page. In that statement could we not say as Fossil says and includes .......etc. because a common word or phrase generic would not in itself explain what we discuss
« Last Edit: February 16, 2013, 10:36:31 AM by Ogdenscards »
Always looking for interesting cards and associated goods issued by Ogden's you can see samples of cards I am looking for in the wants section.
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2013, 09:14:18 AM »
i have even seen modern postcards with ogdens advertised on the front

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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2013, 09:53:07 AM »
you don't get rid of me that easily folks, all i do now is ignore those threads i think are from sellers and hand on heart its not that hard, regular contributors are not that hard to spot are they ;D

I want to say before i go any further that i think the admin do a great job with this site, after all without the input from them (they/he/she?) it wouldn't be here and we would all be wandering around the ether hopelessly lost.

sometimes its hard to know what to add to the forum, I guess unlike other hobbies we are a quiet bunch we don't tend to brag about painting skills or who smashed who at what etc. so we just plod along collecting and adding bits and pieces as and when we think we should. I do like the idea of fossil challenging the norm and look forward to even more from him, At least it gets us thinking about our hobby.

keep up the good work and lets keep adding our opinions to the forum, its the only way it stays alive.


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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2013, 10:39:31 AM »
Those postcards are reprints, I think, of previous adverts and signs. Have seen one or two myself .
Always looking for interesting cards and associated goods issued by Ogden's you can see samples of cards I am looking for in the wants section.
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2013, 11:40:31 PM »
I agree and at the ripe old age of 53 even I can't remember cigarette cards. I have collected bubble gum cards from wax wrappers for over 45 years. Who under the age of 40 knows that gum cards were issued in wax wrappers? Anyway thanks to the Internet and technology we can share our hobby with the wider audience especially through the PSA. Like it or loath it  my card collection was locked away for decades without anyone seeing my cards to appreciate them or sharing my interest? I like to compete with like minded people my aim is to have the best sets in the world. Anyway probably not everyone's cup of tea but hey ho!
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http://www.psacard.com/PSASETREGISTRY/MySetRegistry/Showcase.aspx?sc=1063

Just think of the collectors out there who have not embraced technology and the Internet?
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2013, 09:10:12 AM »
even the word card is innaccurare, as is silk a card ?, likewise, leather, embroidery, metal or blanket, as these were issued in cigarette packets.

A lot of silks had card backing although this often falls off with time.  Many collectors consider the hobby as collecting anything which came in a cigarette packet although that includes all sorts of things including tin soldiers.  What about trade cards such as margarine cards?  Do you then include anything given away with margarine such as a model of the port of Rostock?
http://www.germancards.com/MfrsV/VEB/rostock.htm
What about other things given away by companies such as sets of playing cards or a nice uranium glass ashtray I saw recently?  I know one person who has a complete Stollwerck chocolate vending machine.
Until it's clear what the hobby includes it's difficult to know what to call it.  There was a lot of debate in the early days until they came up with "cartophily" (I'm never sure how to pronounce it but it always reminds me of the German word "kartoffel" meaning a potato).  The word is understood to include more than just pure cigarette cards but it's not at all clear where the limits are.
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2013, 09:28:02 AM »
Hi all been a while since last posted and just caught up with all the new posts on here , seems to have been a lot of posts and comments of late re members on this site Without being and overstepping the politically correct mark and ensuring everyone has the right of privacy etc etc just a few thoughts which may help improve the contrubution /non contrubution question

1 When prospective members join the site , name , site nickname/tag ,  area of residence if affiliated to csgb/member of local club /area of intrest /willingness to be contacted by other members , obviously no personal address or contact number required as that encroaches of privacy but the other details should be mandatory This would ensure and sort out the serious members who visit the site regular and contribute regular from the one time post to sell daytrippers

2 Whilst i commend all the work Geoff does ( without whom this site would never have happened )  and Ian as moderator , maybe a bit of help could be given in the ways of more active members assisting and helping out Maybe in the way of moderators

3 All posts submitted could be screened and approved for display and then sorted into the appropiate section/topic area

4 To encourage more pople to join we all at least visit fairs and associate clubs maybe a few buissness type cards ( similar to what Geoff sent some of us last year ) could be distributed amongst clubs via members all ready on here and members who deal at fairs and of course promotion of the site in the CSGB/Card times/LCC Collectors news

Not a case of being Orwellian just thoughts of sorting the wheat out from the chaff

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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2013, 09:53:47 AM »
well the hobby certainly must be brought into the 21st century, and if it includes associated material as signs packets and other ephemera, if that is what the collector finds interesting, that is the persons choice.
even though some of the items themselves, are not within my realm of collecting, i would still find it interesting to view other collectors collections.
i think one of the problems in the early years, was that trade cards, were normally the same size as cigarette cards, and many young lads found it difficult to differenciate that a card was not isued in a pack of cigarettes, but in a pack of tea.
my early years, before i took up the hobby ten years back, was how many cards i had in my collection compared with my mates, and collecting and swapping cards of interest to ourselves.
cigarete cards, tea cards, phone cards are long gone now, but so long as it brings like minded collectors together into a group, to discuss , and show of their collection, than thats fine.
i could find it just as interesting in vielwing a stamp collectors collection, a coin collector or bank note collection. thats how many museums start.
look at the robert opie collection of packaging, to see all of the different packets of bird's eye fish fingers, but to see all of them put together in one place, is quite astounding..

refering to packaging, around ten years ago, walking past an old shop in east london, and on e of my daughters wanted a snack, i went into a small grocers, and the shop was still filled with all the old three dimensional displays issued by brooke bond tea, for british wild life, bird portraits, wild flowers and other early sets issued by brooke bond.
i often think, if i could remember the street that i was walking at the time, if they are still on display, and if i could purchase the items from the sho keeper.
one comment by garno ;not ev eryones cup of tea', tea certainly taste as nice without the cards they issued

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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2013, 05:22:37 PM »
just a few thoughts which may help improve the contrubution /non contrubution question


Moderating posts can put you on a slippery slope if you are not careful.  Another forum where I was a member had similar ideas and ultimately a lot of members left and started another forum.  Adding collecting interests etc. to the user profile is a good idea and it would certainly be interesting to see what other members collect.  However there is no guarantee that people wouldn't enter spurious information just to register and sell things if it were obligatory. 

I think that people trying to sell stuff is just something that we have to live with.  Moving "for sale" posts to the "correct" thread would be a good idea.  However at present the home page defaults to showing the latest posts, regardless of where the post was made so that wouldn't change much.  Entering the site via the forum link:
http://www.cigarettecardcollecting.com/index.php?action=forum
would to a certain extent avoid that problem but that page is at present a bit chaotic.  Either the forum page needs to be optimized (some categories don't contain a single post) or the latest posts need to be changed so that "for sale" posts don't appear.
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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2013, 08:04:58 PM »
i think i must disagree to a point here that ian makes on some aspects .
firstly, if so called members join solely for the purpose of selling, and never make no other comment, why keep them as memmb ers ?
since joining this forum, twice to my recollection, it has been ;hijacked ;, by members just for the purpose of selling electrical items, or other similar goods.
these have been deleted, and are no longer members.
why delete these ?, i may wish to purchase an electrical item, as much as i would want to purchase an old set of players cards.
but personally if i wish to purchase any of these items, i would go to an online store or ebay, not to a forum that wishes to discuss the cartophilic world.
another mention is made that on a similar website that ian was a member, several left to make another website ?
if that is the case, let them.
the memmbers that join this website and make regular contributions, i cannot see joining another website that is made up by the members that hav e not contributed to any discussion.
frankly, if all non contributers left to make up another website, it would be pretty boring, because they make no contributions here, so i doubt if they would make any contributions elsewhere.
about the point in asking for members to fill out their details, about their interest, well if they dont, they just dont join the forum, as simple as that..
wolfie, i beliweve yesterday or the day before, commented that some may know not what to say, but wouldn't it be interesting to let us know of even their latest aquisitions be it a set worth a couple of pounds or a single card woth hundreds.
i enjoy looking at the galleries, be it rare cards, common cards, ephemara or other items, it make the forum exciting and inviting from the novice to the specialist

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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2013, 09:05:23 PM »
I have to agree with fossil, that folk who leave and set up there own site are welcome to. That said I would hate this to become an exclusive club where those of us who contribute turn our nose up at others. Lets face it that happens in the real world and most of us came on here to chat with like minded folk and not be ignored.
Its often hard to know what to say especialy if you are new to the hobby, you dont want to sound stupid (I dont care I just blast away regardless).

I love the gallery and think this is a way to encourage others, if folk see that regulars have the same sets as them then they wont be frightened away. We all have some sets that must have cost just a couple of quid and these are the sets that in all likelyhood got us interested in the first place. I do like looking at the expensive sets as well, but am realistic enough to know that I will never own a rare set that costs £100s or £1000s, still like to look at them though.

I dont mind the idea of moderators, but they need to keep to some guide lines. I used to do a hobby called geocaching it fitted in with my walking and allowed me to visit different places. However the moderators became very bullish and so strict in the placement of caches that it killed the hobby for me, I still hike but I no longer use the shiney technology that is strapped to my pack. So if we go down the mod route we need to beware.

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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2013, 10:24:54 PM »
its not even not  knowing what to say, just a simple 'hello' will suffice, i collect so and so cards, i have added to my collection today, a brooke bond tea set of vanishing animals, just something like that, not a deafening silence

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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2013, 08:32:51 AM »
I have to agree with fossil, that folk who leave and set up there own site are welcome to.  ..... So if we go down the mod route we need to beware.

The problem with the other site was that it was precisely the knowledgeable main contributors who left.  After all, if you don't post anything you're unlikely to have disagreements with the mods.  I don't think we should get too upset about people who try to sell "grandad's collection".  We won't know that that's what they are up to until they have made the first post and after that they probably won't post anything more whether the membership is cancelled or not.  The posts selling electrical items fossil mentioned was an attempt at commercial spamming if I'm thinking of the same thing.  Someone found a way around the CAPTCHA tests and was creating hundreds of spurious computer-generated users for the sole purpose of spamming the site.  It was an obvious abuse and was immediately stopped.  It was a different league to the odd punter trying his luck.
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